Jaguar XF 2.2D

Saw this car on the M42 on Monday.

By sjbyatt1 on 31 March, 2011, 7:10am

From what you've said, why only four stars?

By SFaulder on 31 March, 2011, 7:29am

saw it a few times on the A444 in the morning and afternoon. lets hope it does pick up sales. guess the real deal is how it drives and pulls the car forward knowing the car is a heavy one for this engine but still the V6 diesel sounds like a good match for a car this size. Now they finally developed a basis on which things can only improve.

By corsamani on 31 March, 2011, 7:29am

Its hardly "all new" is it? - a mild facelift and 4 cylinder engine thats all. As for the SUNs, sorry Autoexpress claim to have an exclusive first look, Autocar, CAR and What Car have already driven it and printed their stories

By hampson10 on 31 March, 2011, 9:03am

@hampson10

You have demonstrated your ignorance of the importance of this new version. The largest market for this type of car - the Director level within corporates - has been crying out for a more tax efficient version for a long time. So many times customers call us and ask about the XF - they love it in so many ways, but crucially it is not tax efficient against the likes of the 520d, E200/220 and A6. So until now it has been the preserve of the privileged few. That is why this version is crucuial because it suddenly takes the coork out of the bottle.

I predict this will be one of the biggest sellers within it's market during 2012 restricted only by availability, and I predict the waiting list will be long enough to make the Germans choke on their bratwurst. They have all been dreading the day when Jaguar sorted this model out. All it needs now is a 6 speed manual to satisfy those who like to take full control.

As for it being a mild facelift - why try and improve on, and risk spoiling, something that is already so right?

By Chizzy57 on 31 March, 2011, 9:25am

Call me a snob, but....

I rather like it that there are currently no poverty XF models for jumped up salesmen. Let them thrash around in their small engined BWMs!
It's going back a bit i know, but Jaguar have a heritage of making disappointing small engines - the XJ40 2.9 was a real dog that struggled to pull itself along.
I hope this sales rep special doesn't detract from the current XF range.

By penncv3 on 31 March, 2011, 10:36am

Exclusive drive?

Why was your drive of it exclusive? Exclusive would hint that you are the only ones who have driven it. That isn't the case though is it. Be honest (if you can).
You lot sure do like a bit of sensationalism!

By Tazfan2 on 31 March, 2011, 12:06pm

Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond

@ Chizzy57
Well said. I concur.

Jaguar must sell cars and in sufficient numbers to make enough profit to be able to fund its own R+D. It simply cannot ignore by far the biggest selling sector for this model.

The XF is a heavy car, though I doubt it weighs that much more than its competitors. However, 50+mpg, annual tax of just £130, yet with 0-60mph in just 8.5 seconds sounds spot-on.

Brits love to wave the flag and sound all patriotic, but like as not they then turn round and buy foreign (ignoring Tata's Indian owners, given that Jag does it all in Blighty). Well soon they will have no reason to do so any more. I suspect, however, that a lot of these so-called patriots will continue to do so. You can bet your bottom dollar that it would never happen in Germany or Japan. They back up empty words with action and buy their own products. Am I challenging people not to be hypocrites? Yes!

Sir Sidney.

PS: 'exclusive' to Autoexpress? About as accurate as their regular renderings of what future models 'could look like' when they need to fill the pages during quiet periods, i.e., not.

By sirsidneyruffdiamond on 31 March, 2011, 12:29pm

Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond

PS: forgot to mention one point: no mention in the article of any brake-regeneration, which I believe is pretty common in Beemers and some other German models. All that energy generated and going to waste! Add that in and an already astonishingly frugal and efficient car will get even better.

Long live Jaguar!. The best company in the world.

By sirsidneyruffdiamond on 31 March, 2011, 12:31pm

Wooooo !

An excellent car - unless maybe you're a snob and you like looking down on "poverty-stricken jumped-up salesmen" who clutter your road. Maybe some would prefer a voluptuous leather V12 Vanden Plaaaaaas version to show how yummy and rich they really are. Lol.

By craiglife on 31 March, 2011, 2:23pm

Mr

Sounds an excellent bargain to me. I also have a hunch that Jaguar will bring it in at wellunder 30 K (base model) next spring. The front of the present could do with a facelift to give more sharpness but the rear is just fine. If in future time we could have the same package with the replacement to the unloved X version (2014, 2013 if we're really lucky) then the new 'Jag 3 series' could be a little rocket.

By dml0nt on 31 March, 2011, 3:55pm

Stop-Start Sytems

Has everyone forgotten basic principles?.

Surely the last thing you do (following a period of `spirited` driving) when you come to a halt at traffic lights, or a `T` junction etc., is to hold your foot down on the brake.......doing this repeatedly will warp your discs to hell!.

Furthermore, if you are driving a turbo-charged car.... (yes, even a diesel)....to suddenly stop a hot engine will result in `coking` the turbocharger`s main bearing, with eventual destructive results.
I`m not at all sure that all the cars now featuring `stop-start` keep their oil & water pumps running when the engine is abruptly stopped in this way........this is the only way to stop the engine oil around the turbo`s bearing from frying-down to abrasive carbon deposits.

Why else would tuners fit `turbo-timers`... which keep the motor running for long enough for the bearing to cool...after the ignition key has been switched-off?.

This is why sales-reps. etc. have such a high rate of turbo-failure on their (usually turbo-diesel) cars.......they pull off the motorway to re-fuel & always shut the engine down immediately on reaching the pumps!.

By valkyrie70 on 31 March, 2011, 5:48pm

Back in the 60s,70s and 80s Jags were stylish,unreliable and overpriced.
Now they are just dull and expensive.

By toycollector on 31 March, 2011, 7:42pm

I really, really want to like this car as I have had enough of BMW dealerships and their boring new designs but I still feel that the dasboard has a touch of the "Amstrad" about it.

By Fipzee on 1 April, 2011, 12:15am

Jaguar On Song...

I'm astonished at the performance figures from the little 2.2 litre motor in this car. 450nm of torque is bloody amazing from an engine of this capacity. Taking the fuel economy and particularly the 0-60 figure into account, I think that kinda proves this 'small' motored Jag is not going to 'slouch' around. Modern properly designed' turbo-diesels are not as susceptible to 'coking' as early versions, and a water-cooled turbo should eliminate this undesirable side effect completely.

As for the dash being a bit 'Amstrad', if I was Alan Sugar I'd take that comment as a huge compliment. It's a shame Amstrad's build quality wasn't up to Jaguar standards however ;)

By sgtgrash on 1 April, 2011, 3:02pm

would it make into the new XJ ??????

I remember thinking that the XJ weighs similar to the XF. Is there any chance that this engine could make its way into the XJ? It would boost sales big time. If XJ weighs just a bit more then i am sure they can tweak that gearbox a bit. Come on Jaaag what you waiting for!!!

By corsamani on 1 April, 2011, 7:51pm

Good idea

I wasn't really expecting a facelift to the XF at first, but to add 2.2 litre diesel to it sounds like a fantastic idea. In my opinion, however, I think that if this particular XF was allowed to have a 6-speed manual alongside the 8-speed auto that has been planned, this fantastic idea would be made miles better, and a much more worthy BMW 5-Series rival. On that note, Jaguar, give this car a manual, and I'll have one!

By JPW2010 on 2 April, 2011, 10:43am

TECHNICALITIES

hullo valkyrie70, youve written about the best piece of techy info I've ever read, amongst a bunch or mere opinions. I've been looking for all the nay-sayers screaming its no bloody good.....its got a Ford engine in it. Anyone forgotten how the best exec car in its class, the S-Type got bagged to kingdom come because the 'no-brainers' screamed "its no more that a Mondeo in drag" rubbish.
So, will the [water-cooled] turbo fry its OIL-COOLED bearings or not, when abruptly switched off???? Will the expert experienced turbo engineer please stand up.
My father would always say never send a boy to do a man's job, and this piddly four-pot looks just like that, until you see it's output figures......nothing less than very impressive. I think most posters know this will be the [poverty] 'reps' car, and NOT the vehicle every company director has been busting his guts to get, to save a few bob on company car taxes. It is still though an inline 4, which in pertol guise are inherently harmonically unbalanced. Why do you think Porsche had to copy Mitsubishi with inline counter-rotating balancer shafts. The car may well be sound-proofed to death, but I bet it still sounds like a rattly old diesel on the outside. I had the misfortune to pull alongside a MB land-bruiser diesel, and it sounded dreadful.
Toycollector, back in the 60's, 70's, & 80's Jaguars were stylish, beautifully engineered and made, extremely drivable, sometimes unreliable......NO THANKS to Lucas, and SO underpriced, the market could not work out how they did it.. I've owned two, how many passed through your hands??
I'm absolutely confused about down-sizing. How on earth can car companies look at a major component of a car [the engine] and down-size it with astonishing improvements in mileage and emissions, YET still keep making cars HEAVIER and HEAVIER??? What am I missing here?? And clearly with heavier and heavier cars aerodynamics are now a complete irrelevance. AE, WHEN DID YOU LAST QUOTE A Cd [Coefficient of drag] FIGURE FOR A CAR???
A slick ZF manual 6-speeder sounds like it would be a popular addition to the range, and improve sales even further. If I was Jaguar, I'd be embarrassed about a big waiting list. I'd want the cars paid for and on the roads, and cranking up production lines several notches to meet demand.

By barina47 on 4 April, 2011, 1:17am

@barina47

Hi Barina,

I agree with most of what you have written, but I would like to remind you that technology has moved on quite a bit.

I own a Renault Grand Scenic 1.5 DCi and the performance from its little diesel motor never ceases to amaze me. 5 years ago I owned a Fiat Marea 1.9JTD and despite the Renault being the larger and heavier car, the Scenic could run rings around the poor Marea in every department. At idle there is no disputing my Scenic is a diesel, yet at anything above 1000k on the rev counter you'd be hard pressed to tell what fuel it uses.

The most impressive diesel motor I have experience of was fitted to an old Vauxhall Omega I used to own. It was a straight six 2.5 litre turbo-diesel sourced from BMW. At idle, that engine displayed very slight diesel clatter, and I mean you really had to listen for it, and yet under acceleration, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was a highly tuned BMW straight six petrol engine. I loved that car because it didn't shout about the performance it was capable of, and it could really hustle. Anyone who has owned an Omega with this engine will know exactly where I am coming from. The best thing of all however is that despite it's capabilities, that car returned high 30's to mid 40's mpg however I chose to drive it. Ah, happy days :D

By sgtgrash on 7 April, 2011, 9:49am

The 3.0 Diesel returns 42MPG!!!!!

In your dreams more like 32MPG.

By johnbmwx6 on 11 April, 2011, 3:33pm

johnbmwx6

What a lovely BIG CAT it is ...One thing about Britain we are a open minded country..Jaguar sales are significantly up and will continue to rise not because we in Britain like waving the flag it's because it's simply a real good car and deserves to sell very well! and hey if that means putting one or two BMW and Audi sales men out of business ...am sorry I have no problem with that... most of the money from a jaguar sale will be pumped back into the Britain...much better for us all in the long run than sending the cash to Germany!

By liverpool on 7 June, 2011, 10:16pm

johnbmwx6

What a lovely BIG CAT it is ...One thing about Britain we are a open minded country..Jaguar sales are significantly up and will continue to rise not because we in Britain like waving the flag it's because it's simply a real good car and deserves to sell very well! and hey if that means putting one or two BMW and Audi sales men out of business ...am sorry I have no problem with that... most of the money from a jaguar sale will be pumped back into the Britain...much better for us all in the long run than sending the cash to Germany!

By liverpool on 7 June, 2011, 10:21pm

Will the ECU manage the oil preasure and oil feed to the turbo?

as well as boost pressure ....YES it will...Even the dumbest mechanic knows a turbo needs constant oil flow to stop the bearings from frying ...they spin up to 250'00 rpm.. any problems with the oil flow (dry bearings or grit) and a turbo's bearings will fry instantly! But saying that Turbo's are extremely reliable..
To the doubting Tom who mentioned stop start technology is bad for Turbo's... On a turbo engine not designed for it- it could be (if abused)..... the ECU isn't designed to cope with start - stop

By liverpool on 7 June, 2011, 10:50pm

Will the ECU manage the oil preasure and oil feed to the turbo?

as well as boost pressure ....YES it will...Even the dumbest mechanic knows a turbo needs constant oil flow to stop the bearings from frying ...they spin up to 250'00 rpm.. any problems with the oil flow (dry bearings or grit) and a turbo's bearings will fry instantly! But saying that Turbo's are extremely reliable..
To the doubting Tom who mentioned stop start technology is bad for Turbo's... On a turbo engine not designed for it- it could be (if abused)..... the ECU isn't designed to cope with start - stop

By liverpool on 7 June, 2011, 11:53pm