New BMW 5-Series vs Jaguar XF

BMW again

I don't know why AE or all the other magazines etc bother to do reviews on BMW's. It's so very predictable - BMW Wins!! All the journalists (or are they?!) seem to overlook or "not notice" the ride quality, the boring interiors and the determination to get you to pay for many features that are standard on comparable cars. BMW must have a large corporate entertainment budget.

By justinhunt1 on 2 February, 2010, 9:46am

No other car...

...seems to annoy people more than a BMW. The vehemence with which new models are greeted is unsurpassed by any other brand. BMW truly is an emotive marque - love it or hate it - but I suspect the "haters" would all love to own a BMW if they had the opportunity. The fact that new BMW 5 is quicker, quieter, more efficient and ultimately cheaper (for the target market - executive company car driver) than the Jag is easily overlooked by those that cannot be seen to endorse the brand.

And I quote:

"The 5 is the best car in this sector – and worth its small price premium."

By BARNEYM1979 on 2 February, 2010, 10:06am

Passion or cold

Of course BMWs always win this sort of test but at the end of the day I would still prefer a car like the Jaguar that appears to have been designed with passion rather than a cold, remote Essexmobile designed by automatons.

By RogerWillis3 on 2 February, 2010, 10:27am

No other car...

...seems to annoy people more than a BMW. The vehemence with which new models are greeted is unsurpassed by any other brand. BMW truly is an emotive marque - love it or hate it - but I suspect the "haters" would all love to own a BMW if they had the opportunity. The fact that new BMW 5 is quicker, quieter, more efficient and ultimately cheaper (for the target market - executive company car driver) than the Jag is easily overlooked by those that cannot be seen to endorse the brand.

And I quote:

"The 5 is the best car in this sector – and worth its small price premium."

By BARNEYM1979 on 2 February, 2010, 10:34am

DJ Rapidgoods

BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BMW WINS BLA BLA So Predictable so boreing and they all look the same. Give me the Jag any day.

By denjar on 2 February, 2010, 10:36am

Elegance regained

At last styling without a trace of the malign Chris Bangle aethetic illiteracy.

Restrained elegance to complement BMWs usual excellent dynamics

Now can BMW do someting about the One series please?

Smike

By smike on 2 February, 2010, 10:46am

Good Old GB

Why all this rubish about a good british car, this would not be said in Germany about one of their cars. I have had both a 7 and 5 series BMW but my Jaguar soverign left them both standing as an outstanding car and British and the best I have ever owned.

By Doddie14 on 2 February, 2010, 11:11am

A Matter of Personal Attitudes.

Having driven a BMW528, 530d, 535d, a Mercedes E320CDi and test driven the new Mercedes E350CDi Sport (which is on order) over the last 12 years, I would make the following comments. Styling is a matter of personal aesthetic taste. The 535d did not have the elegance of the 320CDi - a matter of angry looks versus cool curves as my daughters put it. The 535d performance was outstanding, but the 320CDi was very close behind. The 535d road holding was a little wallowy and nothing like as sure-footed as the previous 5-series models. The 320CDi was far more adept than the 535d but not as taut as the previous 530d and 528i. The 535d's ride quality was disastrous on run-flat tyres whilst the 320CDi's ride was brilliantly absorbent on all surfaces. The 535d interior was dark, claustrophobic and unimaginative, rear leg room acceptable, the i-drive ridiculously fiddly and instruments partially hidden by the steering wheel, which would probably be down to my height (5ft. 10 in)and preferred driving position. The 'head-up' display was a great idea. Seat comfort and set-up was OK, but suffered from the transfer of steering configuration from German left to GB right. In contrast, the 320CDi was roomy, light, with good instrument visibility and simple push-button controls in easy reach. Rear leg room was better, although seat comfort, whilst plushly supportive suffered from a slight tilt to the left, I thought. Boot space was far better planned and more useful in the 320CDi (you can get much more in). Based purely on a 3 day test drive, comparing the new E350CDi Sport to my previous 535d, the Mercedes wins hands down. In terms of looks, Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar should all look to the current Mercedes CLS for real inspiration and the Porsche Panamera designers should go back to college!
So all this tends to suggest our views on cars are really only a matter of personal preference and the perfect vehicle is still to be designed and built.
Geoff - Brentwood.

By Geoff_Sanders on 2 February, 2010, 11:27am

Jag's OTT electronics

I'd buy the Jag if they did away with all the ridiculous bound-to-go-wrong-and-cost-me-a-fortune electronic gimmickry. As it is, I'll replace my 5-Series with a 5-Series...or at least not the Jag.

By DaveH on 2 February, 2010, 12:53pm

BMW Is the best..

YOU British people shoud raise the white flag for BMW again.. and stop BLA BLA BLAabout your Jag...ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE

By black_ghost87 on 2 February, 2010, 1:20pm

Is This the UK !!!

Where do you people come from when you will not support British cars and all you can do is make up stories about faulty eletcrics when you have never experienced such a good car as a Jag. If you like German cars then go there as it looka like you want to spend good British money in Germany !!!

By Doddie14 on 2 February, 2010, 1:48pm

?Jaguar is much more exclusive!

Whatever else the gimmicks of the various car tests are really quite secondardy when choosing such a premium car! This is very much so when choosing bewteen Mercedes, BMW and the new Jaguar XF!

Just look at the sort of people that are driving round in BMWs whether its Belgravia, Cote d Azur, Zürich or Düsseldorf!

And Mercedes is virtually the standard taxi in Germany and many other countries and is driven by most butchers etc and still has the name heating oil Ferrari by some

But the proof of thge pudding is in the eating - and here the new Jaguar XF is in the same league as DAKS, Burbery and Simpsons!

Of course its a matter of tast - Jaguar spells good taste!

By vandenplas4litre on 2 February, 2010, 2:26pm

Geoff - Sanders - I respect you man. A best car is yet to be made...but will never be made. It cant satisfy everyone's tastes. NO. No car is better than all cars just like no woman is more beautiful than all. It is all down to one's taste and preference. Unfortunately some here do not make informed comments but emotional ones. Im neither British nor German, but will tell you some things I have known about Mercs - they last longer and longer - you can invest in them, people respect you when you drive them. Jags - they have solid, comfortable interiors, well designed inside and are good investments. You will be proud to own one and you get more respect for driving even old ones. BMW - they are not designed to last long and lose their value so fast you may struggle to sell them. They are fast and not comfortable. They have interesting electronics but that is just about them. You have less respect driving them compared to the other two. Just choose yours.

By bekexs on 2 February, 2010, 3:26pm

Personal preference

All I can say is that I've tried the Jag XF 3.0S and the Merc E350d and neither of them were discernably better or quicker than my four year old Audi 2.7d. In addition the Jag was too small inside and the so called 'theatre' of the pop up gear lever was a joke (funny first time, etc). Both The Merc & Jag made me feel of retirement age so I ordered the new 3 ltr BMW unseen in December - I can't wait till 20 March!

By paul0909 on 2 February, 2010, 3:45pm

Another boring looking BMW - yawn!

No matter how competent a BMW is, until they fix their styling it's pointless. From the Bangle-bungle look to post Bangle-boring look! BMW just can't make up its mind what they want their cars to look like. What an almighty mess. Another BMW that has me reaching for the nausea bag.

By Alfisti6 on 2 February, 2010, 4:28pm

last point.. MERCEDES-BENZ......

By ovest on 2 February, 2010, 5:15pm

boring jag/beamer

Pff the interior of the jag looks a copy of that of the Mondeo. Too shiny and childish. The bmw's design sucks. Ass always. Only the M4 is a beatifull car in my opinion. And the interior of the beamer is very very boring. The Jag's interior is to small.
Mercedess long lasting??? Look at the ADAC and your own statisatics and see that mercedes is only below average in reliability. Ass Jaguars are by the way. BMW is better in that way.

Audi then??? They are all too expensive for what they offer. A normal reliable car is a much better investment.

By bert_brink on 2 February, 2010, 5:28pm

Jaguar, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, they all make fine cars. I know what most German folk would buy because they are patriotic and wish to support their manufacturers and their country.
Sadly some UK nationals/buyers are the sort of people who love to support their country's teams from the seat of a foreign car and a few of them would probably have cheered Hitler up the Mall had he made it.
Of course one's choice of car is a matter of opinion and I don't really wish to suggest that buyers should always ignore foreign alternatives. Just that they could easily do so when there is a perfectly good, brilliant actually, alternative, which is what te Jaguar XF is.
We might have won WW2 but we lost the peace. Nobody believes in Britain any more, at least not enough to support it even when there's no reason not to. You won't find that in Germany or Japan, and they should be saluted for it. It's pathetic really.
PS: And Clarkson is as much to blame. Loves to bang on about the war and 'Ze Germans' but usually buys foreign. Hasn't even bothered to review the XF for The Times. What can you do with a country full of such people?!

By sirsidneyruffdiamond on 2 February, 2010, 5:39pm

As an expat brit living in the US, the XKF was/is a fresh breath of life for the Jag dealers and is once again proving to be the only decent "foreign" option to the German high-end marques. It may not be winning over large quantities of owners but it has recently lept up in the US reliability surveys and would be higher still but for the spotty patchwork of the Jag dealers! But technically the XKF is a grand representative for the JLR team and I only hope that they can keep developing it! It's been a terrific car so far; hopefully it will be so in a couple more years with 60,000 miles+ on it!

By mikelv on 2 February, 2010, 6:04pm

No other car..!

BMW undoubtedly make cars that are exceptional to drive, though aesthetics are debatable. What is unfortunate for those who own a BMW for reasons of automotive performance & pleasure is being associated with those who purchase a BMW who believe that by doing so shall elevate their social status and actually believe that by owning/ leasing a BMW they belong to a higher echelon of society. The comment made by BarneyM1979 is one of the characteristics that higlights this:

I suspect the "haters" would all love to own a BMW if they had the opportunity

It's a shame that BMW is a marque tarnished by a sales success that can be highly contributed to a common misconception (derived from the eighties) that has fuelled a 'horizon-restricted' section of societies perception of success and aspiration is to be driving a BMW!

This does allow a little more exclusivity for those who don't feel they must purchase a BMW to prove to others they have 'the opportunity'. I would have thought this attitude of 'simulated success' by driving such a car would have gone out the window these days - lets face it, the majority of folk who have this attitude usually are driving the creditors car - for a small deposit and a few hundred quid a month, you can have whatever you like. Perhaps this is why BMW which used to have exclusivity when 'never-never' did not exist, are now consistantly the most purchased car month in, month out. I guess despite our nations debt to of billions, we're a successful people as BMW sales are through the roof.

By MrWhat101 on 2 February, 2010, 6:09pm

BMW - Again

Couldn't agree more with MrWhat101. Most drivers of BMW's (except perhaps the 7 series) are just that - Drivers - not owners. Mind you there's a lot of drivers of other marques like that. It's just I suspect that BMW's have a far higher proportions of HP/leases/contract hire etc.

By justinhunt1 on 2 February, 2010, 6:29pm

Knock the Brits

Do all you BMW drivers think it is understood that BMW engineering can do nothing wrong. A company that cannot design a wheel that does not crack and when it does crack they blame their customers. Is this the type of company that you want to trust or spend your money with !!!

By Doddie14 on 2 February, 2010, 7:16pm

The words "BMW" and "style" haven't been linked together for Ten Years.
Chris Bungle took a brand WITH style and proceded to design some of the ugliest cars on the market.Flame surfaces my a**e.
Sadly,even the new models have some of his influence.
He lived on the "``emperors new clothes" theory.

By toycollector on 2 February, 2010, 7:45pm

Fairly Predictable...

BMW`s certainly attract criticism...That criticism is generally directed more at the drivers of them rather than the actual cars themselves. (generally speaking IMO) Thankfully Audi appear to have grabbed some of the 3series type driving road lunatics, so the marque is recovering.

The 5 series has always appeared to have the better standard of BMW person driving them (IMO) and this car with its conservative styling, I think hits the mark.

The Jaguar XF (fine car though it is) just doesnt look like what I view as a Jaguar in terms of not having lithe styling of the previous types of Jags like the XJ series(or even the X-type!)
I just cant used to the front end! Please Jaguar, graft a proper Jag nose onto it...More XJ12 than the Hyundai Majestic!

By LegioIXHispana on 2 February, 2010, 8:03pm

Spot on styling comments - good riddance to Bangle!

At last a BMW that doesn't look completely ridiculous! Hopefully that sorry Bangle era is behind BMW now, and their engineering excellence will no longer be clothed in such awful designs. BMW won't have won any new friends with its arrogant pursuit of that flame-surfacing nonsense - but then again, some other misguided manufacturers seemed to have fallen under the spell of such an awful influence - just look at the hideously ugly Mazda 3 and 5!
As for the Jag, it's as good as it's always been - the arrival of the new 5 series can't change that. Both are great cars, so if you want the Jag, go for it - I suspect the verdict between the two for most would be down to a matter of taste rather than an alarming fault with either car.
I also don't pay too much attention to car magazine verdicts - modern cars are so good to drive these days that if Autoexpress thinks the 5 series is better than the XF, no doubt another magazine will think the opposite. I buy a car because I liked driving it and it suits me for what I want it for. If I was in the market for a mid-sized MPV, there's no way I'd consider the current car-magazine darling of the class (Citroen C4 Picasso) because of their record of reliability and customer service.
Good point made above regarding the XF's front end - that huge, clumsy grill ruins the rest of the car, just like it will on the XJ. When will manufacturers ditch this obsession with corporate looks and let each model have its own unique design?

By gavsmit on 2 February, 2010, 9:14pm

You choose

Some interesting and sensible comments. I have owned e class & c classmerc, two 5 series beemers, prior to Bangles awful design, Also latest mondeo ghia amongst many others. Just bought newish Jaguar xj6 tdvi. All of them were excellent in some way. The Merc build and that gunsight on the bonnet, but not reliability, the BMW's were so good we kept one, the new mondeo makes you wonder why anyone would pay for a prestige badge, better than the Merc and BMW in so many ways.
I was on my way to buying another e class when I test drove the Jaguar. Just had to have it . So much character, and the ride and handling is brilliant. The interior much nicer as well. Agree with comments about the new XF front end, not worthy of Jag. All the others will be forgotten in a few years but the Jaguar classic design will stand the test of time.

By justintime on 3 February, 2010, 9:45pm

Just more money

I've always thought that BMW's were for Ford drivers with a bit more money ... it's the sheep mentality ...

I'm not denying they are decent cars, but they are an easy choice, especially for those who believe the 'Ultimate Driving Machine' tag line.

Give me the style of a Jag any day please ... try turning up at an event in a BMW/Merc/Audi and then try it in a Jag. Different class!

By Chizzy57 on 4 February, 2010, 9:16am

Interesting debate. To me this is probably a choice which will be dictated by company car policies and the dreaded whole life cost costs comparisons. As a prospective driver or owner of one of these cars, I would be looking at the BMW and wondering if this was the alternative styling proposal which was turned down in favour of the car which was launched in 2003. It is evolutionary and predictable, and it looks as if the E60 5 Series never happened. BMW deserve the success that Efficient Dynamics has brought them on the 1 and 3 Series but I just can't see any subjective reason to choose the new 5 Series other than wanting to own the latest new BMW. For that reason I suspect this 5 Series generation will age badly, whereas the Jag XF will remain the more exclusive and desirable product. I suspect in the long term that Jaguar will need a more frugal 4 cylinder diesel with an output in the region of 180-220 bhp in order to maintain the volumes they need ongoing.

By Beckerman on 4 February, 2010, 10:34am

Wouldn't be seen dead in a Beamer.

In my lifetime BMW used to make Bubblecars, I don't think they have come that far, just a bit of clever advertising appealing to sheep who are duped by the 'designer' labels on other products.

In my experience the most arrogant drivers on our roads are usually driving BMW's or Mercedes. No I don't want to be associated with them - I will stick with my Jaguar.

By becknorman1 on 4 February, 2010, 10:45am

Blandness personified

I didnt think it was possible but BMW's are just getting blander and blander, just like the people who drive them i suppose. You know the type, the ones who actually believe they have the 'greatest driving machine' in the world but to the rest of us in the real world they are driving around in the automotive equivalent of a piece of mild cheddar. The fact is this, if your sat in traffic you notice the jag with its beautiful sculptured lines, you never notice a 5 series, they just disappear in to the miles of grey dull tarmac.

This new 5 series is, and i didnt think it was possible, even more ordinary than the 3 series. They have gone from the only good looking model in there line up to another run of the mill motor that will just blend in to the back ground, it looks as if no thought has been put in to what it looks like on the outside and i dare say the same applies to the inside, just one piece of plastic, angled at the driver, just like every other car they make.

Style and panache of the Jag any day over the bland classless piece of tin from Bavaria.

By AndyG on 4 February, 2010, 12:46pm

I suspect the "haters" would all love to own a BMW if they had the opportunity

I can assure you 100% i would never ever ever ever spend my own money on a BMW, they are ugly bland and just do nothing to make me excited about driving. I had a 520d for 3 months for work purposes, i could not wait at the end of the day to park it up and get in to my Alfa and go for a drive, knowing i wouldn't have to use that horrible piece of kit for another 12 hours at least.

If ppl are buying to feel 'exclusive and successful' buy an Alfa 166 now there is style and driveability all in one beautiful package. And it proves your sorted financially as your gonna loose a packet in service and deprecation.

By AndyG on 4 February, 2010, 12:57pm

sirsidneyruffdiamond - I could not have put it better. The country is dazzled by ' foreign is better' which often it's not. I have to drive home from work in an Americn car to a house heated by the Russians, to sit on my Chinese made leather sofa (even the cows that made are from overseas) to watch my Japanese TV and cook on my German cooker. Even my bed was made in Holland. Now I can't even buy a bar of British chocolate for god sakes! This coutry is a joke. But even though I can't stand BMW, harsh ride, stupid i-drive and run flat tyres the British think that by owning one they are somehow superior, even the police and government think foreign is better. We lost via the back door, even our prime minister sneaked in to the posistion, what happen to democracy?

Even though it is also foreign I'd take the Jag due to looks, style, a driver information centre that makes i-drive look about as modern as a Spectrum ZX!

By Focus_your_mind on 5 February, 2010, 12:16pm

BMW BORING! BORING! LEMMINGS DRIVE THEM!

Good God what do people see in such a bland corporate package , go on buy a car that's trying to be different, keeps our Britishness alive even if the company is owned by an ex commonweath country . be happy to be individuals. Look after our premuim makers before we don't have any left ,be proud to drive a Jaguar which has always had character my xfs is a lovely car. Keep style, alive go Jaguar !!

By Derek513 on 5 February, 2010, 9:16pm

Tired of these reviewers conclusions

AutoExpress, as a subscriber I have to say you are very predictable and almost as useful as Top Gear! Please ensure you compare like with like and actually add up the cost of specing up a BMW to the Jaguars Spec first. I have previously Owned BMW Audi and MB. BMW interiors are awful and the ride and seats often left me crawling out of the door on all fours after a long drive. Most people buying this kind of car are looking for a comfortable cruiser which is well spec'd capable of soaking up long miles easily, I can assure you that I have yet to find that in a BMW. Best alternative IMHO was the Merc E class. Also I noted with interest that you tested a version without the normal suspension most models will come with? I quote "However, our test car was fitted with optional Adaptive Drive (£2,220)" Do you not feel this effectively makes your "head to head" somewhat pointless and BMW made sure they gave you a version to test which would be able to drive better than a normal version!! If you are going to test cars please get two base spec cars without the additional extras that are 1. Very costly 2. Change the way the car drives. As a private buyer I am extremely careful what extras I order as the value of them is never recovered on re-sale. You also mention the resale value of the BMW but fail to mention that currently the XF leads the way in second hand values?
You state the BMW engine is quieter, well unless they have radically changed it, I remain unconvinced, you really need to start them both inside a garage! Whilst the BM engine is a great engine, it is nowhere near as quiet as the Jag’s and on the move the difference becomes more apparent!
Lastly I struggle to find what you find attractive about the "new" BM shape/design. Exactly what does this change from the first ugly flame styled version? It’s basically toned down, the same ugly car that has been on sale for some years, even the interior stays the same boring place to be. Come on AutoExpress and treat your readers/subscribers to a fair and level test of a car. Also go and head down the local dealers and show interest in buying one. BMW dealers are appalling!

By GlynC on 7 February, 2010, 10:48am

Incompatible test?

I do get tired of reading reviews where magazines compares apples and pears and then make a conclusion.

The fully spec'd price of the 5 series they test is higher than that of the XF. The BMW also had the Adaptive Drive pack on it. So the handling comparisions are not valid.

Why did they not test an XF with the Adaptive Dynamics pack fitted? Then the test would be more valid. I'm XF owner and was looking forward to this test, but have been left disappointed by a poor comparision. I expected the BMW to have a great engine, they usually do. Not sure it makes up for the other failings though, the interior still looks awful.

I went to for the XF as my daily drive doesn't resemble a "race track" and I found the XF better in the real world. I also hope Jaguar don't pander to the company car masses. I like the exclusivity.

Shoddy journalism really.

By Steve100 on 8 February, 2010, 3:06pm

BMW IS NR. ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By bmwalcea on 9 February, 2010, 8:05pm

the Jag any day

I drive some 25,000 miles a year and whenever i try to be nice and giveway to someone who drives a Merc, BMW or Audi, by flashing my lights at them the one thing i always noticed is that they never say thanks. Every other driver who drives a Mazada, ford or any other car car even a Jag say thanks by raising their hand. I can assume that its some sort of ego thing that these sort of drivers have that me and my big German powerhouse does not need to even raise a hand to activate any electronic gismo's let alone just wave a hand to say thanks!! Now i don't give no German luxury car driver any way, the arrogant drivers can just **** off. The jag is a understated car that does not shout about itself but in a likeable manner where it wants to be admired in peace. It may not have the class leading engines of the Germans, but at least every car Jag offers looks different with a different look and feel and has bags of character and charm. Now i will always give way to a Jag driver at least they seem like respectable drivers!!

By corsamani on 11 February, 2010, 7:48am

The new 5-series is attractive but the designers seemed a little lazy. Everytime I looked at the picture of it in the review it looks like an upscaled 3-series. I had no problem with Chris Bangle shaking things up at BMW and I'd say his 5-series was a lot more distinctive than the new model.

By JordanB2710 on 14 February, 2010, 10:54am

yawn yawn yawn a blown up 3 series

Hardly inspiring, lazy bmw!

By Derek513 on 15 February, 2010, 7:16pm

Patriotic?

Have I missed something? Jaguar is an Indian company so why all the talk of having to buy Jag because its British? Its only a matter of time before manufacturing moves to India as well...Germany is closer and France closer still... Lets all buy Caterhams, Morgans, Marcos's or Nobles if we want to be patriotic..

By dsc25 on 17 February, 2010, 7:26pm

Patriotic?

Have I missed something? Jaguar is an Indian company so why all the talk of having to buy Jag because its British? Its only a matter of time before manufacturing moves to India as well...Germany is closer and France closer still... Lets all buy Caterhams, Morgans, Marcos's or Nobles if we want to be patriotic..

By dsc25 on 17 February, 2010, 7:33pm

Arrogant

First of all, i'm Dutch, so please don''t be offended with my bad English.

After read all the comments on this article, an especially the notes on 'the' BMW driver, I cant' take another opinion as to say that the Jag driver is the true aroggant driver.

I can afford both cars (no credit). University degree and a postdoc end thirthies. So, said that, I don't care if there are BMW dirves which aren't educated like that, or maybe perhaps even that spohisticated as some Jag drivers seem to be. The only reason I'v chosen BMW 8 years ago, is that in almost EVERY test this cars pops up as the nr.1 car. Of ourse, after owning 2 3-series and 1 5 -serie (E61), I have to say that the run-flat tyres are a joke (the older BMW's were way more comfortable). I've gott rid of these tyres the very instant I bought this car. Now I've just ordered a new 528i etc. I really love the conservative look.

I absolutely love the ride dynamics of BMW and take the negative image for what it is. Maybe the JAG drivers could be more 'image sensible' drivers after all.

Therefore, it turned a very- and i repeat: very - big smile on my face as to these the result of this test in combination with the ultimate 'vinegar-like' comments.

By fyall72 on 27 February, 2010, 9:09pm

To corsamani, GlynC, Derek513, Focus_your_mind, and AndyG: Remove yourselves from the gene pool, preferably in the most painful way possible, f_ckwits.

By kixat2550 on 8 April, 2010, 6:06am

Forget Any of These...

My advice is, save your money and buy a Honda S2000.

Makes you feel happy...every day

By DarwinsBulldog on 8 February, 2011, 9:30pm

What makes me laugh and sad is to see a English flag on a German car... what is the idiot trying to say?... O look at me I support England????????
Seriously Ford did wonders with the Jag! it's now a world class car again with a soul .. Even if it's not English owned it's Indian... it is English...British built not shipped and assembled in the UK it's made in Britain, designed .. and I'm proud of the JAG ...
HOW MANY OF OUR FOOTBALL TEAMS ARE BRITISH OWNED?

The new BMW is a lovely car but so is the JAG ..JAGUAR for me all the way! I have one and it's great drive

By liverpool on 1 June, 2011, 9:41pm

NEW XF IS BETTER

BMW lose top spot to JAG again

By liverpool on 16 June, 2011, 9:40pm

ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE OLD HAT!

A big two fingers V ...to German BMW man...The most arrogant bad drivers on the road! They think they own the roads and have a god given right to jump ques, cut up, tale gate ....

By liverpool on 17 July, 2011, 2:33pm

Calm down

Good god, there just cars! - Lets face it both cars are much the same and both will owe an awful lot to the now German dominated European car industry. The Jags gearbox and power steering system are made by ZF (German), most of the electrical systems are Bosch or Siemens (German) and it will probably coime with Continental tyres (German) and most of this kit will also be identical to that specified by BMW for the 5 series and no doubt by Mercedes for the E Class. At the end of the day it comes down to the style you prefer. I do like the Jag but still dont feel old enough to own one yet so it would probably be the BMW - I feel no ill will to those that would have the Jag though and fully respect your decision. You are definitely not T**t, F***wits or any of the other foul disgusting insults thrown around by the uncouth uneducated oafs who seem to frequent these pages.

By hampson10 on 18 September, 2011, 11:24pm